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Stay on or off-site?

 

One of the main decisions to make when planning a trip to WDW, is whether to stay on-site or off-site.

Staying on-site (in a WDW resort) is more expensive, but has many benefits-

Extra Magic Hour (early entry). One park each day opens 1 hour earlier or 3 hours later for Disney Resort guests. Full schedule here.

Convenience - WDW resort guests don't have as far to travel to the parks as off-site guests. It's much easier to return to the hotel for an afternoon nap or a swim if you're staying in WDW, especially if you're staying at one of the resorts connected to the parks by monorail or boat.

24hr magic - You are in the heart of the magic 24 hrs a day. All Disney resorts are themed, & offer the kind of service & magic only Disney can provide.

Advanced Dining Reservations - Disney resort guests can book their advanced dining reservations up to 10 days sooner than offsite guests. Click here for full details.

Guaranteed admission - On days when attendance is extremely heavy, the theme parks may be closed, but WDW resort guests are guaranteed admission.

Free parking - WDW resort guests don't have to pay to park in the theme park parking lots.

Unlimited pass - WDW resort guests are entitled to buy an ultimate hopper pass for the length of their stay, which is usually cheaper than the other passes.

Central Billing - “Put it on my card.” The Walt Disney World Resort identification card, which is used to charge food and merchandise, also has guests’ ticketing options encoded on the back. The resort ID card is issued upon check-in, and all purchases are charged to guests’ resort hotel accounts.

Complimentary Package delivery - Guests can purchase goods throughout WDW & ask for them to be delivered to their resort room, this saves carrying heavy packages around with you all day.

Magical Express - free transport from Orlando International Airport to your Disney Resort. New from May 05, more details here.

Wake up calls from the mouse himself.

Refillable mugs - WDW resort guests can purchase souvenir mugs at their resort, which can then be refilled free, or for a small charge, for the duration of their stay.

Convenient Transportation - Leave the car keys and parking hassles behind. At no additional charge, special boats, buses and monorails transport Disney resort guests directly to any area in the Vacation Kingdom, allowing guests more flexibility and convenience during their vacation.

Themed Resorts - It’s not just a room. In the same way that Disney’s theme parks offer an escape to a timeless land of enchantment, a walk down small-town Main Street or a peek at the future, Disney’s resort hotels offer a mix of adventures. Disney Imagineers have created detailed and themed environments that include the romance and beauty of Africa at Disney’s Animal Kingdom Lodge to the Victorian opulence of Disney’s Grand Floridian Resort & Spa.

Guest Services - One call can do it all. Each Disney resort hotel offers guest services to arrange park tickets, dining reservations and tee times and to provide helpful hints on setting up other activities.

Vacation Setting - Get away from it all. Just minutes from the activity of the theme parks, resort guests can take a midday break. They can kick back in a rocker at Disney’s Fort Wilderness Resort and Campground, nap in a hammock at Disney’s Caribbean Beach Resort, stroll down Disney’s BoardWalk or kick off their shoes and sink their toes into the sandy beaches of Disney’s Polynesian Resort.

Preferred Tee Times - Fore! Resort guests get preferred tee times at Disney’s six courses that total 99 holes of championship golf.

If cost is an issue, then staying off-site is definitely cheaper, although savings can be made on WDW accommodation, see money saving tips. Book discount Orlando and Disney hotels here.

Food is also less expensive outside of WDW, but if you're staying off-site & plan to spend all day in the parks, that isn't much of an issue, as you'll be eating a couple of your meals in the parks.

If you plan on visiting other attractions in Orlando (Sea World, Universal Studios), it may be more convenient to stay off-site.

If you do plan to stay off-site, consider how long it will take to get to the parks. The hotel literature may say it's only five minutes to WDW, but that is probably only to the main entrance, it can take much longer once inside WDW property to get to the parks. Also, the roads get very congested, especially first thing in a morning when you want to be going to the parks.

Although many of the off-site hotels offer free shuttles to the parks, they won't run as often as WDW transportation, which runs buses every 15-20 minutes. The buses may only run every hour, or even two hours, & will probably stop running a lot earlier than WDW transport. The first time I went to Orlando & stayed offsite, the buses to the parks only ran every 1-2 hours, & the buses to Downtown Disney stopped running at 3pm!

Book your stay at a Disney World Resort or offsite Orlando hotel, click here.


Visitor's Comments

"Been to Disney many times as a child , last two as a parent and stayed at All-Star music resort. We are going back in Nov 06 can't imagime not staying in the park. Great for the kids and I simply love the whole experience.We take our own snacks and drinks to help defray some costs. We know going in the Disney trip does not come cheap. I have yet to be disappointed." D from SC

" I have been to Walt Disney World 11 times, and all but once (except for the first time) my family has stayed on-site, at CBR. The first time the place we stayed at was so filthy that we switched to CBR and it was absolutely fabulous. My children have such fond memories of CBR that I can't imagine ever staying anywhere else. Sure, it costs more than staying off-site, but it's the magic in the air. I really don't believe that it's a Disney Experience without staying onsite.
I have so many fond memories of sitting on the beach at the resort, watching the fireworks from Epcot, waiting for the bus at the theme parks (SO nice not to have to drive), and just being in the spirit and happiness that is Disney.
If you are on the fence, STAY ON SITE!!! I have stayed on and off, and know many people who loved staying off. BUt once they stay on site, they all realize it's not the same."

" I definetely prefer staying on site!  I have been to Disney 3 times. Twice I've stayed at the Polynesian and once at All-Star Sports.  I was very happy with both although it was nice catching the monorail or walking to the park from the Polynesian.  However, the All-Star Resorts are much more affordable.  I can't imagine staying off site when traveling to Disney.  I don't want to leave the Disney after a 6 day stay, there is no way I would leave every night." JD

"We just returned from our 7th trip to WDW on Sunday 5/1/05. Normally we  stay near the Magic Kingdom in either the Contemporary or the Polynesian (always hard to decide which as we LOVE both places) but this year we tried the Beach Club so we would be closer to Epcot for a change. My daughter thought we would be missing out on seeing fireworks by not staying near MK. Wow!!! Illuminations every night for dinner!! We didn't miss a thing! STAY ON SIGHT and be surrounded by Disney magic 24/7!! Yeah, kind of expensive, but the memories and the smiles on your kids faces more than make up for it."   Don N. Fair Lawn, N.J. (8/05)

"My husbend and I LOVE Disney we are big kids and love being right in the thick of things.. I thought Disney was oh so exspensive but I found a really great offer that includes my hotel, tickets to all disney attractions, meals ect and it is costing us next to nothing! Disney offers hotels at affordable prices the value resort are really cool and cost about the same as an off-site hotel! So if you do your homework anyone can afford a wonderful disney vacation!" (8/05)


"I know everyone says to stay on site but for the price difference off site is great too. We have no problems driving (hubby drives and I navigate) We enjoy the freedom of having a vehicle. We have always talked about staying on site but when we can stay for about 1/2 the price off site it's not worth it to us." (10/04) Betty


"My family and I have been to Disney World 4 times before - every 3 years (we have to save up for it.) We have stayed off-site twice and on-site twice and can honestly say that although we thoroughly enjoyed our first 2 visits on International Drive - Thay just can't compare to being on-site its truly magical - you never feel out of the atmosphere that surrounds all Disney Parks and Resorts (except of course when you visit IOA or Seaworld of course). Driving does take a little getting used to, but after a couple of days its great and you won't want to give your car back at the end of your holiday - its easier and more relaxed than driving in UK. The buses are also fine but waiting and crowding on them sometimes can tend to grate a little.
We're off again in July next month (can't wait) back on site - this time to Port Orleans Riverside for a change Hope that its as good as All Stars where we have stayed before. All Stars Resort has been our all-time favourite so far Its got such a wonderful feel to it.
Our children are older now - 15 and 18 but will always want to return to WDW (Onsite of course) - the age doesn't matter a bit."


"ON SITE!!!!!! Disney IS NOT Disney without staying on site. Youre in the middle of the magic. You don't have to drive. So what if you have to wait for a little for buses? Youre at Disney and it feels great to know youre at Disney and not feel like you have to drive everyday to get there. You can take a bus at any time to go back to your resort. At the end of your night, you don't have to drive and walk all the way to get your car. The magic is in the resorts too! Trust me and stay on site. Its NOT the disney experience without staying in a Disney resort. The convenience and experience is unbelieveable!"


"We have been 5 times before and always stayed offsite and had no problems whatsoever. We stayed once in a villa when there were seven of us and the other times on Intn. Drive. This year we are returning and staying onsite and we intend to still use the car to go to restaurants and other parks. Cost is obviously a priority for many and it can be a lot cheaper to stay offsite but you do have to travel further to the parks. This is not a problem." Paul Boundy (UK)


"Me and my family of 6 people went to Disney World last year (03). We had a blast. I know you're all saying to stay in Disney, but we didn't and had a great time anyway. We rented a house in Kissimee, when we got there it was extremely clean and looked just like it did on the Internet. It had 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, a living room, a garage, a full kitchen, a washer and dryer, all appliances and untensils, a private screened in pool in the backyeard and MUCH more! It was a lot cheaper than staying in a Disney resort or a regular hotel. It was really great where we stayed because it was like a little neighbourhood, some people on the street we were on actually lived there. Down the street was a large community pool and a 7/11 convienience store. Also near was a Walmart Supercenter where we went and bought cheap food, camera's, beach towels, sunscreen, and other things we wanted to take to the parks. So in conclusion, all I'm saying is: If you want to be in a calm, relaxed, comfortable and convienient spot when staying in Orlando... RENT A HOUSE! :)"


"I've been to WDW three times in my life and stayed off-site each time with my family. It was wonderful, and I loved Disney very much ... but I have always dreamed of staying on site - I just HATED to leave each night! Now I am married and have my own 7-yr old daughter, and for her very first trip to WDW we are staying on site at the CBR. I wouldn't have it any other way!! We're not interested in any other parks - we want to be completely immersed in the magic of Disney. Call me sentimental, but Disney is more than just a "movie" or a "character" or a bunch of rides - it's a state of mind, one of wonder and joy, and it reminds me of everything in this world that makes life worth living. So for us, we don't want to "travel to it" every day - we want to LIVE IT for our entire stay. If you are a true Disney lover - what could be more magical??"


"Basically - Offsite is more affordable, and onsite is comfortable. "


"We stayed off site in 2002 and even though we still had the magic of Disney it was a trek each day as I do not drive. We had to catch an I ride then change at Seaworld for a Link; which was a 45 min wait approx; then once in Disney you need to get transported to the park you want to visit that day. It was all very tiring and time consuming, we had passes for a free character breakfast which we couldn't use as we just couldn't get there in time. Yes the food offsite is cheaper but the hassle for a non driver is immense. Onsite for us on our next visit, will just have to tighten the purse strings." M Napier-Raikes UK


"I highly recommend staying on property. There is nothing like being picked up at your resort, dropped off at the front gates of the parks and being picked up again in the evening and being dropped off at the front door of your resort. You do not have to pay for parking or walk a long way to the car (especially with children) at the end of the day! SOme resorts offer a comp breakfast, but I tell you...this is the way to go...breakfast or none!!!"


"Disney World was always a popular vacation for my family when I was small. We packed up the car and my folks drove the 20 hour trip from New York to our off-site hotel or condo with two little kids kicking the backs of their seats all the way. Now that I am in my 20's and have lived in Europe for several years, I still love "going to Disney World." Last year's trip was spent at an off-site hotel, and though it was clean and inexpensive, it was NOT convenient when I became ill on my first trip to the Animal Kingdom. Not only did my friend and I have to cut our day short by trekking out to the car, and then to the hotel which was 20 minutes away; we also didn't ever get the chance to return to the Animal Kingdom due to our already short Orlando stay! If we had been staying on-site, we would have had time to return to the park that day. This year we are staying at the Animal Kingdom Lodge, and you can bet we'll be spending a full day at the Animal Kingdom! I can't wait!" (4/03)


"We live in MA and have been to Disney four times. We have never stayed on site. We finally will be staying on site in July. I can't wait, I know it will be wonderful. Even with renting a car and staying in the Caribbean Beach Resort, I was able to book the vacation for the same price as staying in the very off-site condo complex we stayed in last July 2002. Even though we had a lot of room, we really weren't there long enough to take advantage of it. If you check everything out, you may be surprised that it's not as expensive as you may think. I didn't think we would be able to afford it. If you eat at the serve yourself restaurants, instead of ones with waitstaff, it can be very affordable to eat in Disney." (3/03)


"I think the answer to that quesion is dependent on the family size, experience and your budget. We've been to disney 5 times and 2 times have stayed on grounds and 3 times off. We've stayed at Port Orleans and The Dolphin resort and were happy with both. Both were clean but had very small rooms. We have 3 boys,16,13,8 and they use a lot of space so being confined to a single room can be tough. Weve stayed at the Holiday Inn family suites in Lake BV and were thrilled with it also. There were three rooms to each suite and frankly it was nice to come back after a busy day and not be crammed into a small room.(DID I mention a free hot buffet each morning) We've also stayed in Kissimmee at a Days Inn Suite and also at another hotel suite. Both were nice and filled our families needs very well. As far as getting to the park yes I would agree that the first time out it can be tough to get to all of them. The roads can be slightly confusing. But, If you know anything about following a map it's really no problem getting around. If your a first timer I might recommend staying on site just due to the fact that it can be hair raising to drive. Anyway to sum it all up there is no clear cut decision. There are benifits to on and off site. You just need to investigate all of your options."


"I've stayed onsite once and offsite twice. I actually preferred offsite. When onsite, it seemed like we were waiting for buses all the time. Offsite didn't take long at all to get to the parks. We enjoyed being mobile - to go to Seaworld, and other restaurants. Plus -cost was a big consideration. My kids are 10 and 13, so the little extras of onsite weren't as important to us."


"In the past (10) times I have visited Mickey I have stayed on the grounds 5 times and I prefer to do so because I have always had an older person or children with me, and when they get tired it is much much easier and quicker to get them back to the hotel or if they are old enough to let them go back and relax, it saves alot of hassle and other people in the group getting mad because we all have to go back to the hotel."


"We've stayed on-site once and off-site once and both times it was the correct decision. When our kids were younger, it was great to have the option of returning to our room at the Contemporary for a mid-afternoon rest. The monrail picked us up in the lobby and the convenience of being able to charge things to our room was nice. However, this year, with the kids being older (11 and 7), off-site was the right choice. We were able to rent a 3-BR condo for just over $100/night (taxes incl), that gave us the option of eating cheap (breakfast in the condo every morning saved us about $100-200 alone). We could do our laundry (less outfits=less luggage). We were within minutes of food stores, dozens of restaurants, etc. Plus, the Disney monorail only services Magic Kingdom and EPCOT and their transport to Animal Kingdom and MGM is spotty at best. With our car, we were able to reach every park (including water parks) in 10-15 minutes. One other consideration -- our kids aren't really into the characters, so not having them around wasn't a big minus. If your kids love seeing Mickey, etc. every time they turn around, the xtra bucks to stay on-site may be worth it."


"For those of you saying you're going to stay offsite becuase your hotel is 2 miles from "THE" park--you simply don't understand. WDW is approx. 46 sq miles in size. There is no 2 miles from "the park." -- You can drive 10 or more miles any one which way direction just to any of the MANY disney parks' PARKING LOTS. They're luring you --but they're 2 miles from one of the WDW boundaries.. that's like a city line. Would you go on a trip to NYC and stay somewhere in nj "just 2 miles away?"-- That' s broad. 2 miles from what? How often do their buses run? WHERE DO THEY REALLY DROP YOU OFF? Most of them drop you at the "ticket and transportation center"--which only means you have to wait and catch a real disney bus anyway! On property staying is an INCREDIBLE experience worth EVERY penny. Don't shortchange yourself. It's hard to understand till you've been there! If you don't like buses, stay at the Boardwalk, the Yacht& Beach Club or the Swan/Dolphin-- they're beautiful lake has BOAT Tran s p. for MGM and EPCOT [or you can WALK to Epcot in 5 min]... and bus to Magic/Animal Kingdom/Dtown disney. I have been to Disney so many times that I got an annual pass and am moving to the Orlando area! My wife and I just had a Disney wedding. In 5 years and 10+ trips, I've NEVER waited more than 10 minutes for a Disney bus or boat or monorail--day or night.. they keep moving people INCREDIBLY-- some bus drivers are INCREDIBLY funny and freindly too!"


"Staying off site is not as bad as most on this page suggest. We stayed at a clean, comfortable hotel (a Days Inn) that was about a 10-minute drive to the WDW gates. It was only $60 a night - less than half of what the cheapest resort hotel would have been for that particular time of year. That extra money can be used for a lot of extra souvenirs, a Breakfast with the Characters....whatever, depending on your priorities. And there is something to be said for the excitement of driv i ng up to those happy, welcoming gates every morning."


"We have been to disney 3 times with our 4th trip coming up in june...we have stayed on site twice and off site once...to be honest either way has been very good for us...we stayed at the wilderness lodge our first time it was company paid (hubby won a trip thru work) although it was great we don't have the $ for that kind of stay. the second time was at the port orleans again very nice, however the rooms were kind of small for the price. Our last trip was a t Holiday Inn Family Sui t es Resort. Very nice. We had a Kidsuite which had 2 separeate bedrooms, a kitchenette, living room combo and a huge bath. They also have a free hot buffet breakfast every morning and kids eat free in the restaurant for dinner (although it is expensive even with the kids free-was cheaper to eat elsewhere for dinner)..The location was a 5-10 minute drive to any of the parks, they had shuttles (we prefer renting a car though), Of course since my hubby is a business traveler we used his frequen t stay points and only paid for one night out of 8 but pricewise it is comparable to disney moderate resorts at twice the space. Very nice if you have kids! If it is just one child or just mom and dad stay on site but larger families would be happy here just because of all the extar room. (kids even have tv/vcr and nintendo in their room) I think as with everything disney it is just a matter of preference.!!! They also have a huge pool, playground, food court , game room and train ride for the kids. We are staying here again this upcoming trip (free again!!)"


" I have been to Walt Disney World Florida 2 times now and both times have stayed at the All Star Resorts. They are fantastic. I think it adds to the magic of the holiday, which when your going from the UK is not that cheap anyway so if your gonna go - do it right!!!... I am hoping to go again for Christmas next year, and will be looking to stay at the C.B Resort this time. I can drive but have never taken up the hire-car facility, at Disney you can go wherever you want on a Disney B us, and if you want to go to I.D - then you can get a shuttle or taxi, it doesn't really cost that much more."


"We prefer offsite for all the added extras. We chose a Kidsuite hotel with all the extra, kitchenette etc. , I enjoy the benefits of free breakfasst and kids eat free, since we spend no time at the hOtel ( the HIkidsuites are wonderful) eating and sleeping are priority the rest of the time is spent at the park which is a mile away. I found the trams, and Disney property shuttles have huge lines . We prefer to drive and park it takes about 15 minutes and with carseats and babies I wou l d prefer them in their seats than on a bus. The first year we went we spent $5000 the last two years we spent $2000 for a family of six, and actually did more, did and bought everything we wanted . The bulk of our expense was on food! By eating free at the hotel for breakfast and doing the priority seating character meals for lunch we had time to make it bakc to the hotel for dinner ( kids eat free again) and swim in the evening . Also having a kitchen allowed us to freeze water bottles and br i ng them with us. I Definately would stay off site again. And the kids love having their own themed room." (2/02)


"I think that staying onsite is wonderful, but staying offsite is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. We have been to disney world several times already and have stayed downtown disney, and I find it to be perfect for someone who is not gonna be driving, for one you are within walking distance of the downtown disney marketplace so if there is a day that you are not gonna be going to the parks then you dont have to wait for a bus to go downtown you could just walk. And some of t h e hotels downtown are a little more then staying on disney property but there are also some of them that are economical and very nice. And there meals are decent prices. So explore your options and dont knock staying downtown out of the box."


"We have only been to WDW once but are planning our return trip. We stayed at Caribbean Beach and we loved it ! It was so convenient that we plan to stay on site again. I loved being able to get into the parks before people off site and getting the most popular attractions out of the way. We were able to break for lunch a little early each day because of it and were able to avoid those heavy crowds." Dana H


"My husband and I will soon be making our 9th trip to Disney. It is by far our favorite vacation, but it is definitely best when you "stay in the Magic!" We've stayed both off-site and on, and I can't begin to explain the difference in the experience when you're at a Disney Resort. It may or may not be more expensive when you take everything into consideration, but if it is... so be it. The feeling of being "at Disney" never leaves you when at one of their resorts. We've stayed at the Caribbean Beach and Dixie Landings (now part of Port Orleans), and loved them both. I've also stayed at a non-Disney hotel on the property - in the Market Place/Downtown Disney area - and this is a good alternative because the busses are Disney busses, they tend to have Disney gift shops and other Disney touches, and Disney makes sure they meet their standards. However, these hotels are not necessarily cheaper than Disney resorts, and often actually more expensive than Disney's value or moderate resorts. On this upcoming trip, during which we will be renewing our wedding vows at the Boardwalk Seabreeze Point pavilion, we will stay at the new Animal Kingdom Lodge with a view of the Savannah. This is a deluxe hotel and costs considerably more than we would normally pay, but I know it's going to be worth it! I can't wait! To anyone who is going to experience WDW for the first time - or to anyone who has always stayed off-site - I say, "Stay at Disney! You won't believe how much more magical and unforgettable your vacation will be!" Diane Hance


"We also have stayed both off site in previous years and for about the last 4 years we have stayed on property. Definitely on property is the way to go. There is just something about that "Disney Magic" that makes the trip all the more fun when you in a Disney resort. It is much more convenient to get to any WDW destination and then back to your resort. We usually stay in one of the Fort Wilderness Cabins, but may be trying other resorts in the future - although Fort Wilderness is our favorite by far. We like Disney so much that my favorite souvenir is the Disney soap!!! I always take a few bars home because each time I use it, it just has that magic Disney aroma to it & I can close my eyes & imagine for a minute that I am still there!! If you can afford a Holiday Inn then you can certainly afford one of the Disney All Star Resorts for probably the same price. In fact, even if you have more than 4 in your family (as we do) you can get 2 rooms at a Valu Resort for about the same as you would pay at some other places & get twice as much room & 2 bathrooms!!! Staying on Disney property is the way to go."


"I have been to Disney four times and Disneyland once. I have always loved it but until my husband I stayed on site I had no idea how magical it can be. It is worth every extra penny and actually added up it's not that much more if you stay at the moderately priced resorts."


"We are going to Fla in Sept and staying off site. Since we are only going to be going to Disney for 2 days and the rest of the trip at other area attractions we thought this best. We are staying at the Holiday Inn Nikki Bird about 2 miles from the park and there is a shuttle that runs every 15 min from 7am until 9pm. My mother and sis just finished a Disney vaca and they stayed at the Carribean Beach but they were very dispointed with the bus service. It let you off where the regular buses let people off and the walk to the entrance was very long. They also were in lines of up of 45 min to get back on the bus. So not always is staying in the park a good thing and more convienent. They also were "stuck in the park" for all meals and that does get expensive. You don't have the luxery of a car to go off site for a less expensive meal."


"Have been to DW many times (lost count). Biggest mistake one can make is staying off property. Forget the "lower" price. Not worth the trouble. Have stayed at the Contemporay, CBR, Fort Wilderness Trailers, All Star Sports....all GREAT. You won't be disappointed. You can trim one day off your total stay by staying on property due to the time saved not only by going back and forth, but also by taking a quick break in the day at your resort and then going back to the parks. All in all, I came out financially just as well staying on site."


"I love to stay on site. It saves so much time and headache. It can take 30 to 60 minutes to just get to the park. I have small children. Its virtually impossible to go back to the room if you stay off-site. On-site I can come back to my room and rest and my daughter can take a nap or swim and we don't have to move the car."


"I would never stay off-site! WDW isn't the same without staying in an on-site resort. The resorts provide that certain Disney World magic 24/7. I can't explain the feeling you get from Disney but I know this: it's not like anything you could get at let's just say the Holiday Inn. Even if it costs a little bit more, your getting some much magic for your dollar." ~Amanda


"Since we live in So. Florida we have been to disney no less than 200 times. We have stayed in many disney resorts and also,when finances where lower, in off property hotels. By far the Disney experience is best enjoyed by staying at on property resorts. You feel as if you never leave disney. From the excellent service and food, down to the creatively decorated rooms, complete with mickey mouse soaps, its a wonderful vacation for both families and couples. My husband and I had our first date at disney, we honeymooned there and have celebrated many anniversaries and birthdays with our children there. We are a disney family and I would recommend this vacation to everyone. As a matter of fact... we are leaving tonight for another trip." k. ulrich


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